I implemented it internally for Visual Studio, whi...
# thinking-togetheri
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:29 PMI implemented it internally for Visual Studio, which was later modified and released as "Debugger Canvas"
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ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:31 PMyeah, they removed some of the cooler things I did sadly
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Daniel
11/06/2019, 9:32 PM@ibdknox 🙂 Do you consider that so powerful as it looks on the surface?
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ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:32 PMWhen we tested it out with folks internally, we found people didn't use it as much as we thought they would. I attribute that mostly to the commons problem - it becomes very, very messy super quickly and it feels cumbersome to manage.
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:32 PMyou already see this with people trying to manage their open tabs
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:33 PMI ultimately landed on what I called a "codex" or "editor stacks" in Light Table
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:33 PMthat's a much more promising direction I think
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:34 PMhttps://www.chris-granger.com/images/lightable/light-full.png▾
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ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:34 PMthis was the first attempt at it, but it wasn't quite right either. I think you want 3 columns
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Daniel
11/06/2019, 9:34 PMokee, I get it, once the path/flow you are in during the debugging get long it's much harder to manage despite it's visual
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ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:35 PMthe middle column is your working set, the left column is anything that flows into the active item in your working set, the right column is anything that flows out
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:35 PMwhat "flows" means here depends on your language
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:37 PMfor most it's probably:
things that call me | me | things I call
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:37 PM(or reversed if that's more sensible to you)
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Daniel
11/06/2019, 9:37 PMyeap when debugging or smth
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ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:38 PMthis way you get most of the value without all the manual management
ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:38 PMyou can control the working set in your middle column which allows you to build up a nice context
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Daniel
11/06/2019, 9:39 PMnot to mention that you can mentally assign place on the screen to particular effect - here is my code - here is the execution/call stack
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ibdknox
11/06/2019, 9:41 PMyep!
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Daniel
11/06/2019, 9:43 PM@ibdknox tnx a lot for sharing your insights with me!
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Charlie Roberts
11/06/2019, 11:51 PMCodeCrumbs might be relevant to this discussion:
https://github.com/Bogdan-Lyashenko/codecrumbs/blob/master/docs/main-ui-3.png▾
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