so glad more people are bringing points like this up: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/927593460642615296.html

Me too. It’s been driving me crazy for years as it is an ongoing trend that people love to deny. The comments for the post are fascinating.

Jonathan Blow’s interview focused a lot on this and him and others have been talking about this for a while (but its a small collective voice)

I ranted in my blog for a long time, but it just got me ignored.

We caution one another against premature optimization, and that somehow means not prioritizing speed or responsiveness in architectural decisions as well. One of the best things for me about working with Rust is having some assurance that I can built sophisticated applications that are still highly responsive.

Great video 🙂

I expected a very different article from the comments. He points out that a mouse requires feedback to use and then turns that into a negative. I’d say it’s the single most important feature of a mouse that opened up personal computing to a larger audience who no longer had to learn what different function keys do and why different things happen in different modes. A little ironic that days ago Larry Tesler died. I hope not from reading this thread.

Relevant talk from Jonathan Blow

Though relevant and expressing grave concern, it's not Blow at has strongest.

It seems a bit similar to what has happened in the financial markets over time; decreased efficiency as our "understanding" grows. Perhaps it's an innate human tendency, maybe we all make money by complexifying simple things, or at least, that's what our education system does.

It's important to understand that simple, working, progress is not the default state. It's like when, say, vote tabulating software goes wrong: there doesn't need to be a reason for it, rather if it works there's a reason for that!

The web wasn't designed for distributed apps, just for pushing mostly static docs around - where it could work reasonably well. All the interactivity is hacked on, and not really designed. The symptoms are mostly a result of this evolution. An interesting tangent is what would a system designed for distributed, interactive, stateful apps look like?

Well, I have lots of thoughts there. What do we mean by ‘app’? And just distributed, or decentralized as well?

I'd say distributed includes decentralized. 'App' is probably not a great word - I just mean interactive processes that span the network. Includes manipulating and sharing media objects, playing games, etc.

No, decentralized implies distributed.

Yes, that too.

ah, misread you, sorry

Is it harder to make money? I think the economic models may be different but commercial activity would still exist.

Yeah, and Peter and I chatted last year. I think we’re aligned at a high level on the fundamentals.

I think of this model as a virtual distributed world where we have private ownership of objects. We still need infra to provide the shared spaces, messaging etc.

Re: infra, yes. That infrastructure becomes a commodity, which is probably a good thing. The IPFS/etc people are trying to see how much of that infrastructure can be commoditized, decentralized, and distributed globally. I’m glad they’re exploring it, and hope they have enough success that they start to find the limits of the approach.

Mobile objects just means instead of sharing data formats we share executable objects.