Aria Minaei
11/19/2020, 8:15 PMThe printing press gave the Western world prose, but it made poetry into an exotic and elitist form of communication. It gave us inductive science, but it reduced religious sensibility to a form of fanciful superstition.What does he mean by "reduced religious sensibility to a form of fanciful superstition?" Was religion in a more enlightened form before print culture?
ibdknox
11/19/2020, 8:18 PMibdknox
11/19/2020, 8:19 PMAria Minaei
11/19/2020, 8:28 PMThe first idea is that all technological change is a trade-off. I like to call it a Faustian bargain. Technology giveth and technology taketh away. This means that for every advantage a new technology offers, there is always a corresponding disadvantage.Superstitious explanations being rendered unnecessary in favor of "inductive science" does not sound like a downside. Am I missing something?
ibdknox
11/19/2020, 8:31 PMibdknox
11/19/2020, 8:34 PMibdknox
11/19/2020, 8:39 PMSrini K
11/19/2020, 8:43 PMSrini K
11/19/2020, 8:45 PMAria Minaei
11/19/2020, 8:51 PM... I am aware of the deep concern among “established” Protestant religions about the tendency toward refashioning Protestant services so that they are more televisible. It is well understood at the National Council that the danger is not that religion has become the content of television shows but that television shows may become the content of religion.So he mentions the "Faustian bargain" in
tv + religion
, but with print + religion
, I'm left guessing. I wonder if he mentions that in some other work.Konrad Hinsen
11/20/2020, 7:22 PMKartik Agaram
Eldritch Conundrum
11/22/2020, 7:56 AMReligion was what held pre-modern societies together. [...] Inductive science, based on systematic doubt, cannot replace this function.Interesting... Science was needed to understand the truth about the world, but was never meant to replace religion. This suggests maybe religions need to adapt and stop assuming the function of science like they used to? Creating these science-compatible religions might stop their decline, assuming what's left after dropping fancyful superstition has enough value.
Konrad Hinsen
11/22/2020, 4:52 PMKonrad Hinsen
12/04/2020, 11:44 AMAndrew
12/10/2020, 10:42 PMWas religion in a more enlightened form before print culture?It’s complicated, but kind of, because religion is primarily about explaining the spiritual. Religion sometimes explains the material (though most frequently when the material is inexplicable), like the creation of the Earth, and stuff. It also occasionally focuses on the logical… But religion is primarily there to explain that which is immaterial — the connection between this and that. The connection between your soul and your body, between a mother and a child, between our past self and our future self, between love and creation, etc. Most of what religion tries to discuss can’t be easily reasoned about, or represented symbolically. It is mostly felt or experienced. Hence, religion can’t be put into print. Sure, stories can, traditions can, beliefs can. But the stories, traditions, and beliefs aren’t the religion. They’re merely pointers, trying to reference different aspects of the religion, which is not itself something that can be put into words. As an increasing amount of our thought was offloaded from feelings to textual analysis, we started thinking like readers. And readers think in a different way from non-readers. Just like speakers think in a different way from non-speakers (see monastic silence)
Andrew
12/10/2020, 10:44 PMKartik Agaram
Kartik Agaram