What’s the status on building a more permanent, st...
# administrivia
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What’s the status on building a more permanent, structured, organised place for us all to build our knowledge? I’ve seen wikis mentioned, and I’m sure there are many options. The potential value is obvious and immense, moving from a stream of great discussion towards actually building on knowledge and ideas in a more permanent way. Would anyone with the knowledge be willing to collate some of the previous discussions? I’m not having much luck finding them
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search for zettel or wiki here and should give you some threads: http://159.89.48.57/
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Hmmm, finding a few snippets of discussions but not as much as I expected. Do you remember if there was much of a consensus? ‘Worth it but too difficult’ or ‘no suitable system we can agree on’ or ‘we should but don’t have the resources yet’
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it’s basically a product development problem, which makes it a bit difficult
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@Garth Goldwater could you elaborate a little? Also are you aware of anyone in this community actively working towards or collaborating on a solution?
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there’s a little group of us in a chat working through how we might build a thing that serves this purpose. i can invite you if you like
the product development side is like: what’s the concrete problem we’re looking to solve? how can we make it appealing to contribute? how can we make sure it’s sticky instead of a ghost town? etc
really wish that slacks “also send to channel” checkbox wasn’t directly above the button for the ios typing suggestion that means “don’t autocorrect this” and directly below the text field you tap on to edit words lol
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(Deleted it for you — you should be able to do that yourself too, but DM me if not)
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Haha agreed on that damn checkbox! As for the product development side, it feels to me like there’s a pretty low chance of getting it right the first time around. It also seems like there might still be a lot of value in having even a few people starting to structure and organise information if that information is easy enough to bring into another system should we choose to go a different route
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As Garth said, there's a small group here quietly working on this. I'm very happy to let them spend some time pursuing this in private, so that we avoid design by committee. Eventually (later this year), if that project doesn't pan out, I will put out a call for contributors and spearhead a similar project in the open. I'd like us to have something like a wiki or a group zettel running and usable by January.
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Mariano also linked to his history search tool, which gives us access to the full history of our slack. That's huge, and really opens up the possibility space for synthesizing the discussions and resources shared here. I'm working on getting that tool set up as an official part of the website.
Orion, if you'd like to start a grassroots "let's start synthesizing" project, I think that'd be fine. Just know that, eventually, I'd like the community to end up with one official collaborative library (which can come from anyone, so long as they're willing to dedicate it to the community and let us collectively run / administrate it).
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I applaud the effort to avoid ‘designed by committee’ solutions so I won’t try and barge my way into the private project. And yes it absolutely needs to be run by the community. Since there’s already a group working on it and a timeline I’m not sure if I can make a meaningful contribution to the system itself. I’d like to put my name out there as willing and able to contribute to the project —both current and future— should that be helpful. and am open to collaboration should anyone be interested in exploring ideas for their own sake. I will continue to structure and collect information, insights, references and general knowledge from here, and would certainly like to make it useful to a future FoC knowledge-base. So if they’re open to it I’d love to get an inkling from the group working in private to help me decide how I might make my knowledge collection most useful to our future system. I understand they may not wish to talk for any number of valid reasons, so I’ll just leave this smiley face here to signal my contentness and support 🥰
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@Garth Goldwater I'd be interested in checking out the wiki/zettel working group
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you’ve both been added!
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I'm kind of curious about this working group now too tbh. I've already got an extensive database of personal notes. But if we all want to listen in then the "private" group will be as big as this Slack 😂
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As long as the working group is taking inspiration from recent thinkers in this space like Andy Matuschak and the Roam folks, then I'm happy.