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I'm 4 years late to this thoughtful article which delves deeply into the dichotomy between involving users ("nothing about us without us") and progressing along learning curves ("making things better by making better things"); and the role technology can play in social change (as part of infrastructure, alongside laws, markets and social norms) https://ethanzuckerman.com/2016/06/22/the-worst-thing-i-read-this-year-and-what-it-taught-me-or-can-we-design-sociotechnical-systems-that-dont-suck
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Some raw material for a patchy map or periodic table about the role of technology in society: ā€¢ "Building apps instead of solving real problems" (emphasizes positive outcomes of tech capability) ā€¢ Accelerationism; progressing along learning/optimization curves (again emphasizes positives) ā€¢ Ensuring teams building tech are demographically balanced (emphasizes process) ā€¢ Ian Malcolm: "you were so busy seeing if you could, you didn't stop to think if you should" (emphasizes negative outcomes of tech capability) ā€¢ Facebook critiques; Tech should take responsibility for breaking things (again emphasizing negatives) ā€¢ Representation in dev teams of end users; "nothing about us without us" Not sure this is going somewhere, but improvisation ("yes, and ..") most welcome.
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This is exactly going somewhere @Kartik Agaram !
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Funnily enough I already wrote quite a bit about this in the Alan Kay Interview.
Ivan Illich's Tool for Conviviality come to mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tools_for_Conviviality
In the Alan Kay thread I also mentioned ICARUS or The Future of Science by Bertrand Russell 1924
I Feel playful so I go with this: "Yes and...for me most of the points are leading down to two basic questions: 1. How do we relate to ourselves 2. And how do we relate to each other
What does sovereignty(user vs consumer, user vs programmer) mean?
For a individual in the modern western civilization, what does "normal" mean(see Alan Kays talk normal considered harmful)?
If we want to tie this somehow to computers the closest thing my zettelkasten hast on this would be this: http://viznut.fi/texts-en/permacomputing_update_2021.html
but of course this are complex and language is a slippery slope but still this connects your original inquiry to the broader picture:
(think about how Alan kay said that Martin Luther was one of the greatest user interface designers)
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Yes, I've been following and engaging a bit with viznut on Mastodon, and on the Collapse OS mailing list. Though I don't quite see the fine details about how permacomputing connects up with this thread.
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You see my helpless attempts at communicating something failed. I'll try again, A interesting thing to think about is sovereignty, agency of the individual in the society. the points you mentioned could be described as being part of a different kind of culture opposed to the main stream culture which promotes user-consumer <-> producer relationships.
So in an effort to create a culture which employs different values ( agency of the individual) I see perma computing as part of a regenerative culture.
Does that make sense?
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Yes, it does. I just needed to go back and reread http://viznut.fi/texts-en/permacomputing.html
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some very good links and thoughts in the article!
In that post, there is a picture,...
in that picture there is the following question "caffeine can I substitute before sleep before šŸ˜ž šŸ˜ž bad things happen?"
which reminds me on a couple of things, one of the shortest things I ccould give here is:
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