> I’ve heard this song before. > Not the cur...
# share-your-work
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I’ve heard this song before.
Not the current hype about AI, exactly — but the pattern underneath it. I’ve heard it, watched it, lived through it, in a completely different field.
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The slop isn’t a property of the technology. It’s what happens when nobody in the loop has taste, and nobody’s willing to go around a second time.
AI Slop vs. Artistry
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The bigger part is that Claude reads what I’ve written and criticizes it — as a piece of writing, not just as a string of facts.
If the ending of that sentence was purposefully worded to sound like claude authored it, then that's a masterstroke, not a happy accident. ;)
FWIW I think I agree with the overall sentiment, but until we actually see lots of people successfully make art from AI, I'm gonna remain more skeptical than not.
Those aren’t vague preferences; they’re closer to rules.
Again, this reads like Claude wrote it, not you. Whether it passed through your judgement or not, the cloud of this being created with the use of AI looms large, and makes it harder to enjoy the read, because I know and notice Claude's voice waaaay more than yours.
AI should help an artist arrive at their artistic vision faster — not hand them a vision they never had.
Disagree here. I'd like tools that help me achieve a higher quality bar than I could achieve on my own. I don't want a speedup, especially if it comes at the cost of reduced quality or individuality (which are unavoidable costs currently)
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Though I do agree with the "not hand them a vision".
It has no taste of its own to impose — only the taste you bring to the editing.
Again, I disagree here, though only slightly. AI doesn't have "taste", but it does produce output with a particular quality to it, in a way that resembles something made in poor taste. It produces the "fast fashion" equivalent of writing (etc) — you can still analyze whether it seems to have been made in good taste or (certainly) not. This puts you at a disadvantage compared to working from whole cloth.
Disagreements notwithstanding, I appreciated reading this. Thanks for sharing it here, and I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts on this.
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Personally, I've been doing more with AI but I've also been less inclined to share the silly things I continue to make. Seems pointless. I think the quality bar for paying attention to anyone else will go way up over the next few years. Which leaves the question of what happens to future generations. If practicing art is a combination of learning to do and learning taste, it's going to get harder without anybody with taste being willing to give feedback to those without. I remember how hard it was to get a driver's license in the US, without any family or network willing to risk me on their car.
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It's not that this new medium will turn people like me into artists, it's that artists will figure out a way to create art using this new medium. I'm a dyed in the wool screaming, blues guitarist (Winter, Hendrix, Trower, ...) and have never accepted synths nor auto-tune. Yet, something like a decade after their appearance someone (else) figured out how to make those thing palatable. Anecdote: a young teen that I wrote with was accused of using auto-tune when in fact she was just mimicking auto-tune with precise control of her own voice. (I wouldn't bother to learn that skill, because I've been trained to dislike that sound). Yes, good artists won't share, not because they don't want to but because they can't - they will intuit the result and can't be introspective enough to explain how they do that.
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there are plenty of tools and technologies that havent birthed new art practices. washing machines, for instance (no i don't count people who use washing machines as percussion as having found a new art practice). i don't think there's any reason to believe AI will be a technology that does. to me it seems closer to the assembly line / mass manufacturing, than to something like amplification or html.
"drum machines, DAWs, auto-tune, and music video technology" were all created for artists. AI is being created for [long list of swear words omitted] capitalists.
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good point, although washing machines now come in a variety of colours and shapes...
Hmm, books and "writing" are sooooo passée. I continue to wonder if the new medium will become a blob of information that comes with a knob (0-10 (reference ... smooth)) that allows the reader to tune the "voice" to the reader's own liking? Choosing sequences and words in a particular order is a power in itself, though. An artistic power. Hmm.
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My old fashioned bet is text is going nowhere. It will accumulate new affordances but still be called "text". Evolution not revolution. Anti-DRM has become again most important to me, after a 20-year hiatus when I got distracted by other things. I now refuse to buy DRM ebooks and buy non-DRM on a hair trigger. The opportunity cost of things plain unencumbered text enables has gotten larger.
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Some past affordances text has acquired: • spaces • lowercase • hyperlinks • folds (inline hyperlinks) • timestamps on utterances (IRC) • metadata on utterances (e.g. subject lines in email) • permalinks (Userland?) • Unicode • editing utterances by others (Wikis) • version control (Wikis) • tags that anyone can add (Delicious?) • emoji • reactions (Slack) • moving utterances by others to a new topic, a.k.a. modifying metadata like a subject line (Zulip) • multiple views e.g. by topic vs Combined feed (Zulip, but perhaps earlier others?)
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I'm starting to feel allergic to AI writing style now, through over-exposure. But surely all those trillions going into LLMs can result in at least having an option to select a more natural style as ones default? So I found it hard to read your article, Paul. Maybe I'll ask Chattie-chat to rewrite it in Pirate 😁
OMG even "Pirate" sounds AI! I give up --- I’ve heard this shanty before, matey. Not this particular racket about AI, mind ye, but the tune beneath it. I’ve watched the same blasted thing happen before, only in another trade. Years ago, I spent me days meddlin’ with songs and music-making. Drum machines came aboard. Then DAWs. Then Auto-Tune. Then all manner of fancy contraptions for makin’ moving pictures. And every time a new bit of kit arrived, suddenly every landlubber aboard could make music. And, by Neptune, most of it was dreadful. But the fault weren’t with the machinery. The slop came from folk discoverin’ a new tool, pressin’ the first shiny button it offered, and declaring the voyage complete. Press button. Receive beat. Call yerself a musician. The technology lowered the deck, and most sailors simply stood upon it. But some proper artists kept at it. They learned the machinery instead of merely operating it. They pushed it, fought it, discovered where it behaved strangely, and figured out how to make it do things no old instrument could manage. Same blasted box. Different sailor. And that, I reckon, is exactly where we be with AI.
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yep, that sucks alright.