Greetings FoC, Do you think the butlerian jihad h...
# thinking-together
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Greetings FoC, Do you think the butlerian jihad has started or is getting some traction? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47173121 https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47179553 https://docs.postmarketos.org/policies-and-processes/development/ai-policy.html I mean this in the sense of a more mature relationship with Technology? I recently listened to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyak9MuzSsc

The interview is very interesting, even if the host is a bit strange and self centered. They reach the point where they talk about LLM's and the host is like "its just too good" But then andrew mcluhan says this is my LLM ( points to his own brain) and this is my claude( points to his pencil) Andrew is like a soft and calm voice trying to advocate for better relationship with technology. Check out his twitter for some funny slogans. They briefly touch on privacy - its just too good. They also talk a few bits about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._A._Richards#Feedforward Its very interesting to see them , or at least Andrew talk about Meta Technology Reflection. I felt reminded of the snipped before the dune movie where they actually show the story of the butlerian jihad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adV3BbO1Si4&pp=ygUZZHVuZSBtb3ZpZSAxOTg0IHByZSBzdG9yedIHCQm-CgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

What do you think?
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Better not ruin my childhood memories by watching that again. Saw a funny comment under some Dune themed video gen recently, "You realize all the characters in that scene would canonically murder you if they knew you used a computer to make it."
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I love the 1984 movie. there are some magical things to it! i was very surprised to find some years ago that extended version, which also included that nicely drawn prologue.
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Last Year i made this little note regarding Dune and AI: https://andreass.gitlab.io/2025/FrankHerbert.html
uhh it's getting interesting
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meta note — this discussion has had a lot of links pasted without any explanation or context. this has two issues: 1. i don't know what many of those links are about (eg: the HN and YT links). it'd be nicer for my experience reading your post if you had written a short description or copied the page title and made that the link. sometimes links will generate a rich preview at the bottom of the post, but those have bad UX problems so i usually remove them. can't rely on rich previews to add context. 2. if anyone ever tries to read this convo with a screen reader, they're going to have to listen to a lot of gobbledegook. in the future, please don't paste "naked" urls. write some text that somehow suggests what the link is, and then make that text the link. thanks.
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Thanks for the heads up Ivan. I will try to explain some further context.
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As I i can't edit my original message to this thread I want to put in here some context. CONTEXT: The Butlerian Jihad is a Conecpt from Dune: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune:_The_Butlerian_Jihad It invokes for me the conecept of a quite drastical discourse with Technology, espedially AI.
In that sense I sent the first 4 Links in which we can see how AI companies try to avoid that their technology gets captured by war interests. But also Postmarket OS design rules in which they try to avoid AI consciously. So as people try to define or find a - comfortable - position towards technology. I do find the notion of the Butlerian Jihad interesting. Can we reject AI? Can we reject Parts of AI? What will we do instead? And how do we start talking and thinking about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyak9MuzSsc

Again I want to point to this interview with Andrew McLuhan. I do find the Idea of - Meta Technology discussion and reflection very interesting.
In that sense maybe I'm thinking of FoC that it is or could be a little bit like this:
# philosophy-in-a-time-of-software - #tags: #programming #software #philosophy - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/philosophy-in-a-time-of-software - this groups is really good, I think I found it through fogus or david nolen, steve klabnik wrote also there - its mostly inactive these days but it contains some real gems - I found "software takes over" through it - https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/vulk-blog/The+Pervert%27s+Guide+to+Computer+Programming+Languages.pdf Lacan/Zizek and Computer Programming Choice
@Ivan Reese Does fit or are thre things missing that you would like to see explained?
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I'd like to normalize using inline links like this, rather than posting bare URLs (ie where you see the http://yadda-yadda) — they're better for screen readers and generally more pleasant to look at, too. I think they also encourage better writing (but now we're getting into the weeds). So for future posts, I'd encourage you to add your links directly to the words that describe them.
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Interesting I'd like to see also the text of the url I'm clicking on
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If you hover your mouse, or press and hold your finger (on touch devices) on the link, it shows you the URL.
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Yeah I never hover , and I hate to need to do extra actions to reveal information 😅
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Can we reject Parts of AI? — Mere months ago, I did not expect to find myself mostly lining up on the "burn it with fire" side, then again my feeble imagination absolutely failed to anticipate the abuses that I see daily. It's bad friends. So bad that when ranting to my sister the other night, she recognized drastic measures are in order: she recommended I find a venue that does open mic standup! What is this world coming to?
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Thank you for sharing these personal stories
Im looking for those and maybe a pattern between them
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@curious_reader I am building a vibe coding tool and am seriously considering putting this at the top of the readme
Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
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