Kartik Agaram
Arcade Wise
10/06/2023, 10:00 PMAlex McLean
10/06/2023, 10:06 PMArvind Thyagarajan
10/07/2023, 2:29 AMKartik Agaram
Alex McLean
10/07/2023, 4:31 PMKonrad Hinsen
10/07/2023, 5:55 PMKartik Agaram
Jack Rusher
10/08/2023, 7:58 AMAlex McLean
10/08/2023, 8:09 AMErik Stel
10/08/2023, 1:27 PMKartik Agaram
Konrad Hinsen
10/08/2023, 2:36 PMAlex McLean
10/08/2023, 2:47 PMKartik Agaram
Jack Rusher
10/08/2023, 4:44 PMKartik Agaram
Duncan Cragg
10/08/2023, 11:10 PMEli Mellen
10/09/2023, 1:32 AMTimothy Johnson
10/09/2023, 6:50 AMKonrad Hinsen
10/09/2023, 6:56 AMKartik Agaram
Alex McLean
10/09/2023, 7:54 PMKonrad Hinsen
10/10/2023, 9:21 AMThe one thing I'd encourage in a thread like this one is more of a "yes, and" mindsetThat was exactly my intention, sorry if if didn't come over as that! And I also agree about harm being inevitable. What I am arguing for is some correction mechanism that adjusts the rules if they turn out to do more harm than good. Which is very much a bottom-up approach. Looking at your three promises again, the one that I see as the most critical one in the context of "doing harm" is:
Tell you, up front, when it will be done.It makes sense in the context of piling up features. But what about adapting code to changing circumstances? The pledge could be understood as "don't count on me to fix things when they turn out to be broken".
Alex McLean
10/10/2023, 9:36 AMKonrad Hinsen
10/10/2023, 11:41 AMKartik Agaram
git pull
, or a new timeline algorithm 😄, then that would do reputation damage to me.
All three bullets are intended to "spread the load", to plug each other's weaknesses, so the final bullet is trying to allude to the constant possibility of change even as I try hard to avoid it.
Thanks a lot for the feedback now that I understand it 😅 Let me think about to how to rephrase to address your concerns more clearly. I was trying to avoid using jargon in hopes of being more accessible to non programmers and also more timeless (require fewer tweaks in future) but perhaps I'm going too far and muddying things that the right bit of jargon would clarify.Erik Stel
10/10/2023, 7:22 PMKartik Agaram
Shobhit Srivastava
10/11/2023, 6:48 AMKonrad Hinsen
10/11/2023, 9:43 AMAlex McLean
10/11/2023, 11:05 AMKonrad Hinsen
10/11/2023, 2:42 PMAlex McLean
10/11/2023, 2:53 PMKonrad Hinsen
10/12/2023, 7:50 AMArvind Thyagarajan
10/12/2023, 5:09 PMAlex McLean
10/13/2023, 9:50 AMTomaz Zlender
10/15/2023, 10:32 PMDuncan Cragg
11/25/2023, 9:58 AMKartik Agaram
Duncan Cragg
11/25/2023, 4:09 PMKartik Agaram
Timothy Johnson
11/27/2023, 3:08 AMArvind Thyagarajan
12/01/2023, 6:00 PM"The fears of superintelligent AI are probably genuine on the part of the doomsayers. That doesn’t mean they reflect a real threat; what they reflect is the inability of technologists to conceive of moderation as a virtue. Billionaires like Bill Gates and Elon Musk assume that a superintelligent AI will stop at nothing to achieve its goals because that’s the attitude they adopted. (Of course, they saw nothing wrong with this strategy when they were the ones engaging in it; it’s only the possibility that someone else might be better at it than they were that gives them cause for concern.)" 😂 (emoji mine)To avoid harmful rent-seeking of any kind, yet put food on the table, I think the idea/tool/platform must be something that can be set free, and then used by anyone, including ourselves, to build useful things. This stands in contrast to "The White Man's Burden" approach that drives user capture -- "it is to the benefit of the users to be captured by those who've invested the best money and best design and best practice into advancing the platform, and the well deserved rewards accrue to those who capture the most users" (and so the measure becomes the goal)... [Footnote] A golden pledge in the OP: "If it's money I'll tell you how much in inflation-adjusted currency, and I'll commit to giving away anything beyond that while unencumbering any secrets it took to create it." There is a concept called "Ameeri line" that I've heard used in recent years, especially during a wonderful set of online talks from India on De-growth during the pandemic (I'll dig up the links and share if they're to be found online) -- i.e. a Richness line, rather than the Poverty line, and much like Monbiot's "Private Sufficiency" I think if there's a shared culture/vision/story of self-regulating this notion of an "Ameeri line" at the individual, family, small business, community level, perhaps we'd have a more healthy, scalable life-work platform.
Nilesh Trivedi
12/02/2023, 12:39 AMthe idea/tool/platform must be something that can be set free, and then used by anyone, including ourselves, to build useful things@Arvind Thyagarajan Business Source License (like the one Hashicorp adopted recently) seems like on the same lines as unlike FOSS, it limits competitors for a limited term, to allow the original devs to build a revenue stream around it - thus encouraging the development and maintenance of more almost-OSS software.