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A new Bret Victor s demo Bret starts at 14mins learned about this from < stevekrouse> s

Chris G · Answer

In the Q amp A he didn t want to talk about the computer at all how to program how it s built Thrilled by question about a new aspect of this particular application

Ivan Reese · Answer

Welp this was super cool and a delightful surprise

Ivan Reese · Answer

That the video of a projector of a video of a projector effect made it feel like I was hallucinating just added to the impact

Duncan Cragg · Answer

I m a bit worried sounds like he s had a stroke he is having trouble speaking and breathing Hope he s OK

Duncan Cragg · Answer

Anyway on the techie stuff what is in the physical doodads that couldn t be implemented in VR or AR

Ivan Reese · Answer

gt he is having trouble speaking and breathing I think he s always sounded like this Just in the other talks I don t remember him ever using a handheld mic I think if you take someone who s not a confident public speaker and give them a pretty hot dynamic mic they sound kinda like this But who knows Hope he s okay

Ivan Reese · Answer

gt what is in the physical doodads that couldn t be implemented in VR or AR Tactile feedback The ability to specify constraints like these blocks need to snap together according to a certain tiling pattern using magnets instead of having to code up some constraints The fact that you can make eye contact with the person across the table from you I mean sure we could eventually figure that stuff out with AR VR There s lots of cool potential there But this DL esq stuff feels A like a much nearer term reality ignoring market forces granted and B like it s pursuing a fundamentally different goal from just fill the space around you with virtual graphics

Kartik Agaram · Answer

If this isn t AR I don t know what is

wtaysom · Answer

I want to clarify here It s not VR It s not AR It s just R <http vimeo com 115154289>

wtaysom · Answer

There s a question about the system crashing at the end and I did wonder earlier how much of the program state lives in the arrangement of objects on the table It s kind of a measure of how tangible the system is

Duncan Cragg · Answer

These objects will get worn dirty lost broken and the papers torn dog eared and lose their crispness but humans being humans they will still be in use long after they should have been replaced even the paper won t be reprinted because of Printer Hesitancy And finding the thing to print again Imagine 3D printing the medical looking bits when they break or get lost

Jack Rusher · Answer

Ishii has done so much great work

Chris G · Answer

True this platform is so local first you wonder where the state data actually is in theory you d want to be able to replace the table projectors all the non solution components and still have it work but as Duncan says if a solution artifact goes away then what ideally there s a redundancy somewhere

wtaysom · Answer

Let me add that the domain here protein imaging is perfect since the need for a wet lab plays very well with idea of physically extended computers As for the binders I always think Dynamicland is actively trying to escape the gravitational pull of the way we usually do things with computers In that case what affordances do binders have Maybe it gives you a tangible measure of how big your program is We could in principle go a lot further For example in text a big ball of mud and a nicely layered lasagna don t look all that different

Naveen Michaud-Agrawal · Answer

DynamicLand seems to take an approach similar to Smalltalk where there is a small kernel of functionality providing input output modalities access to computational time and space and the rest of the system is built on itself from the few photos I ve seen of the Real talk OS most of the core functionality like parsing eval and even output are generated by Page objects

Naveen Michaud-Agrawal · Answer

Is there a systems level description of the overall approach architecture and the underlying virtual machine that drives the system

Ivan Reese · Answer

None that I ve seen The most complete collection of links and project info is <https www christophlabacher com notes ethnographic research on dynamicland|Christoph Labacher s translation analysis> of Götz Bachmann s ethnography of DL so if you wanted to go poking around looking for such info this is where I d start

Naveen Michaud-Agrawal · Answer

Thanks I have read that a few times and followed all subsequent links Unfortunately some of them publications are behind paywalls so I haven t been able to read them

Naveen Michaud-Agrawal · Answer

Also most descriptions are from greater than two years ago I assume that Bret s burned the diskpacks so to speak and has rebuilt the system from scratch based on the learnings of the original version