A language at the intersection of literate program...
# thinking-togetherk
Kartik Agaram
01/29/2019, 1:05 AM
A language at the intersection of literate programming, stack programming, and visual programming
https://hackernoon.com/kaukatcr-an-experiment-in-language-design-for-multi-dimensional-spaces-cc038caafff9
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Peter Abrahamsen
01/29/2019, 2:03 AMThanks for posting this. I remember being intrigued by ZZ a while ago and wishing I could play with it.
Watching Tedâs first video: Iâm totally behind not forcing people to pretend their world has more regularity than it does. On the other hand, his arrogance (or more generously, ignorance) in saying that this is mere techie culture has something to do with his failure to make anything real people use.
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Peter Abrahamsen
01/29/2019, 2:05 AMThere are tons of interesting problems in getting software to better accommodate reality; heâs always been zoomed in on a few pet problems, rather than the messy complexity that comes from actually trying to help real people do real work.
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Peter Abrahamsen
01/29/2019, 2:05 AMSorry, I shouldnât rant.
Peter Abrahamsen
01/29/2019, 2:44 AMThe idea of using ZZ structures to represent programs is an interesting one, but âhow itâs different from writing Forthâ wasnât a very accessible framing for me. Surely the author(s) have something more to say in the line of âso whatâ?
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shalabh
01/29/2019, 6:05 AMTalking about Ted Nelson, I just picked up a new reprint of his original classic 'Computer Lib/Dream Machines' via https://twitter.com/nolimits/status/1087770718878687232. It's not usually available in stores, afaik.
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Peter Abrahamsen
01/29/2019, 6:45 AMYes, those books are actually my favorite things heâs done. They make me happy. âEverything is intertwingled.â đ
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wolkenmachine
01/29/2019, 8:44 AMI remember reading a paper about programming in zz structures that discussed a few different approaches, but none of them were described in the same detail as here...
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