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Hello After a 5 month break we have resumed our activities We haven t officially released the product yet but I have written a draft of introductory articles I would be happy to hear your feedback The official release of Desk is scheduled for the end of this month <https github com Hihaheho Desk blob main docs blog 0001 introduce md|https github com Hihaheho Desk blob main docs blog 0001 introduce md>

Ivan Reese · Answer

It d be hard to give constructive feedback on this I m afraid It s very much a draft But do share the tool here once it s public so we can try it out

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

Thank you It still doesn t seem to be ok But I have no idea where to add sentences or paragraphs I seem bad at writing From your point of view what do you think is needed especially

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

Maybe the problem is that I m knowing Desk too much

Ivan Reese · Answer

The thing that you re planning to release let s call it the product since that s the term you used how much of the draft you ve written describes what the product currently is There s a lot of stuff in the draft that feels like far future goals I d like to see more writing about the thing you ve actually built What would I use it to do What other things is it most similar to How does it differ from them You ve already got some things that seem like they d answer these questions For instance you have gt Desk is A coding environment for the next 100 years It blurs the line between living and coding But I don t know what that even means so it doesn t actually answer the question What is Desk

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

Thanks a lot Your feedback is really helpful As you say I will add a significant description of the current product

Riley Stewart · Answer

What do you mean by Smalltalk but functional and statically typed Is it still based on classes and messaging It would help to have a small sample program in the language to get a feel for how it works As for the vision I get it and am a fan though it helps that I m working on something similar Here it would help to have a roadmap showing what to expect in the initial launch and what the initial group of users would be It seems like you re particularly interested in games but I also like the tools for thought space as an initial target given its relative simplicity and the usefulness of custom software the only problem is being based on a game engine text rendering is going to be really hard You may want to look into using something like skia as well

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

Thanks gt What do you mean by Smalltalk but functional and statically typed It was meant to have something similar to the Smalltalk environment including the GUI but be functional and static rather than dynamic and object oriented I ll add sentences about this gt the only problem is being based on a game engine text rendering is going to be really hard It s actually easy because I use egui for GUI I ve added the following to my TODO list Add a roadmap with target group of users

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

Here is the new TLDR Desk is a reinvention of Excel to fascinate both hackers and gamers a reinvention of Smalltalk environments but with a functional and statically typed language

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

I ve released a POC of my visual editor You can try it at <https desk x com |https desk x com > You should wait for up to 10 seconds on the first load to fetch and compile a Wasm binary If it seems crash before running reloading without caches or using other devices would help Open the editor by clicking the Fibonacci button then hover or click anywhere within the code and use arrow keys to move around the cursor word by word It s really lightweight to rendering the editor in 30fps or more with low cpu usage and it s throttled to 1fps while you aren t operating the input devices If you have a cheap laptop or tablet you should also try the editor on it and it ll work nicely even on not powerful processors You may notice the quality of font rendering is not good It varies on what browser you use and zooming in the page should improves the readability Although I don t mainly use apple devices it s best and beautiful on their devices I m finding a way to fix this problem but not with the top priority Based on this POC I plan to add these features in this order 1 Rendering the code with syntax sugars 2 Inlay hints and hover popups to show the inferred type of an expression and any compiler messages 3 arrow forward button to run the code 4 Dragging single or multiple expressions to move it to another place including other files 5 Structural editing at cursor

Jared Forsyth · Answer

Super fun I can t seem to edit anything in the fibonnacci editor clicking a number gives me a cursor looking thing but it won t respond to any key presses the little resize things don t seem to work on the 3 little windows that are open by default The Fibonnacci editor does resize vertically but not horizontally And should the hamburger menu do something when I click it I can drag it to the side to reveal an FPS monitor but nothing else

Rafi Khan · Answer

This is very neat I m going to spend some time reading the documentation and learning more about the design and implementation Would you be open to a 30min call at some point to help me learn more about your vision

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

< Jared Forsyth> Thanks 1 is just not implemented yet and 2 and 3 may bugs that I could not find it They must be fixed before the official Desk lang Playground release schedule for a few months < Rafi Khan> Thanks You may be the first person who would read my code of this project and I m really glad to hear that smile cat docs contains some documentation but not yet comprehensive and I will publish currently most descriptive article in a few days I already wrote a draft of it in Japanese so you can translate it with any software translator to read it for now is the repository of this project crates contains all implementations in Rust and It s super simple and easily readable code because I m extravagant to make my code beautiful It s a work related to our art game studio Also I ll write a grand architecture document and contribution guide by today or tomorrow that may help your code reading I m really open to anything related to this project so you can ask thousands questions of it and message in the our studio s Discord server is the most noticeable for me but I also check this Slack periodically for any new message I m struggling to develop my English comprehension by my ear so I need a simultaneous translation software but I don t know any of it

Rafi Khan · Answer

Awesome thank you for such a passionate and detailed response

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

The core of my vision is To make coding accessible and essential for everyone as like smartphones could change this world to a good direction

Rafi Khan · Answer

I ll read up on the docs and the article you shared above smile How can I find the discord link I ll reach out there once i ve gone through all the materials

Rafi Khan · Answer

Really love the idea I ve been working on prototypes for several years trying to do the same thing I d love to collaborate and share ideas I have to jump off now but will catch you again soon Good night smile

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

<https discord gg egTTeg7DRp|https discord gg egTTeg7DRp> could work Good night

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

Sorry as failures of estimation and scheduling I haven t even started things I ve mentioned

Rafi Khan · Answer

No problem happens to all of us smile

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

< Rafi Khan> At first I ve updated the contribution guide that may help you to explore the repository s codes and documentations

Ryo Hirayama · Answer

For next I plan to create an architecture document