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# thinking-together
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That's a mighty huge essay, but it looks really exciting. I'm going to have to dedicate some time to reading this.
d
I'll bet your phone has an accessibility screen reader that can read most of it to you
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n
Ironically, I think the essay talks about how linear transmission of information is ineffective and what to do about it. So I don't think I want a screen reader, I think I need to read it at my own pace 😛
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d
Sometimes listening to an article on the way to work is the only way I have time; but otherwise, I agree
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e
I am not an expert, but i took a course decades ago from Fermando Flores, and he was a super expert on the german philosopher Heidegger, and Heidegger asserts that speech is thought; it is just words sequenced without moving your lips. This leads me to believe the answer of more powerful tools is creating better languages, not tools.
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In a sense, languages are tools
I absolutely am loving everything Michael and Andy are putting out right now
z
Really good essay. This paragraph jumped out at me. Unfortunately right now most of the people capable of implementing “digital tools of thought” are not domain experts in a subject other than computing. But, hopefully the barrier to entry of creating these tools will be driven down over time.
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I'm hopeful that I can create a tool that is at least effective for the end-user apps I'm familiar with: games. I've been programming (small) games for 12 years at this point! But also: most programming languages aren't used in domains that they were explicitly created for (JS is on servers now, C++ is used for video games instead of "systems programming"). So I can't really do worse than the status quo!
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why is it that the technology industry has made comparatively little effort developing this vision of transformative tools for thought? I liked the whole essay but disagree with this premise, I could list out my head about 100 guys/projects (or this slack alone) that are trying to push the edge in very innovative ways. The right question would be, instead, why hasn't any of this caught up? I think it has to do with education and community. Education: people go to school to learn (fundamentally) the same tools as 20 years ago, Community: new efforts rarely go beyond being niche and having a few hundred supporters at most.
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@Al Mo The essay talks about "the technology industry". Is anyone here working on a FoC project for that industry? My impression is that it's mainly personal projects, plus some academical.
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Yeah, that's what I wanted to imply with community, so you could have some very good ideas but they rarely go beyond the scope of its (very small) community. Why is that? I have no idea, it may due to some kind of "marketing" issue.
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@Al Mo or financing generally. There's a problem that open, flexible, and interoperable is often at odds with walls and moats.