If I could pin one thread from the history of this...
# thinking-together
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If I could pin one thread from the history of this Slack, it would be the one where we discussed Jonathan Blow's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-SOdj4Kkkโ–พ

Today I ran into an amazing article that adds nuance, historical context (literature surveys) and concrete analysis to the problem. https://palladiummag.com/2020/07/10/how-late-zhou-china-reverse-engineered-a-civilization
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Which thread? This one?
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I'm sad I missed the original discussion; I love that Jon Blow talk so much. ๐Ÿ˜ I know that is a slightly weird thing to say because it's a very depressing thesis. But the key ideas resonated with me very strongly. The fact that people are paying attention to talks like this give me hope for the future (of code ๐Ÿ˜› )
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@Ivan Reese no, it was from when it originally came out. May 2019.
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I remember that discussion, there where a couple of interesting points. @Mariano Guerra just recently put some discussions from the slack as markdown on github - could we do the same for that discussion? I think that could be helpful
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if someone remembers around which time it happened I can see if I have it in the archive
welp, just noticed old archives don't have the same format as new ones
just noticed I searched for Collapse capitalized, here are more:
all others are false positives
since I was looking at the format I implemented embedded youtube links :)
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embed all the things!
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If the community ever gets some source of funding, "pay for Slack for a month and export the full history" is at the top of my list of things to do with the money.
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That's US$8 per user for one month of slack. We have 1202 users right now, so that's currently $9616. The number might be much higher when we hypothetically "get funding". Seems like a waste of money. My suggestion is first to migrate off slack to another platform. Encourage everyone to delete their FoC slack accounts. Then, when Ivan is the only remaining user, then we migrate the data. It will cost $8. My suggestion is to migrate to Mattermost, because it is an open source slack clone, and offers the smoothest transition.
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Based on the way this community uses slack, I'd say a more useful move would be to Discourse
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Yes, we have bikeshedded this issue before, and no alternative to slack is acceptable to everyone. Not everybody likes Discourse, for example.
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Discourse has some pretty shady patterns imo, especially wrt moderation. Anyway, I was under the impression that slack will give you free credit over time, @Ivan Reese have you checked if that is the case?
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@Doug Moen oh, for sure, I wasn't trying to bikeshed. Anything would be better than Slack. Using a chatroom as a threaded forum just feels mismatched to me, was more my point.
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@Ivan Reese I actually shared a script with you and @Mariano Guerra a month or so ago demonstrating that we can export all archives today. Without paying a cent. Just not through the API. Have to download a JSON dump.
@Mariano Guerra the thread I'm thinking of is from May 2019. I have it locally, but in raw JSON.
(It's less useful than I remembered ๐Ÿ˜„)
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@Doug Moen @singpolyma @S.M Mukarram Nainar Slack only charges for monthly active users, of which we have something like 300. There's also the possibility of securing a 85% discount by forming a nonprofit, which I'm open to. (See below message, I'm a dunk.) As for moving off Slack, if you missed it the first time around, the outcome of that discussion is synthesized here: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/046. If you'd like to revisit the discussions themselves, they should still be visible if you search our history โ€” look for "Community Survey" or "Zulip" and the big threads should turn up. If you'd like to start a new discussion about this, let's do a ๐Ÿงต and take it to #CEXED56UR :)
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@Kartik Agaram did you exported it with the thing you mentioned some time ago?
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@Kartik Agaram I didn't realize that that was a full export. I thought it was subject to the fog of history. (Or perhaps I did know, and am now confused. Well, in any case, I am definitely confused.) EDIT: Right, all history exports are the full history. I just keep forgetting that fact. Ignore previous suggestion about paying for membership to exfiltrate our precious memes (et al)!
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Nice! I always love it when we as programmers can acutally do some hacking to circumvent artifical problems of monopolies ๐Ÿ™‚