Ivan Reese
ibdknox
09/28/2021, 11:53 PMAndrew F
09/28/2021, 11:58 PMIvan Reese
ibdknox
09/28/2021, 11:58 PMIvan Reese
Chris G
09/29/2021, 12:07 AMIvan Reese
Kartik Agaram
ibdknox
09/29/2021, 12:14 AMDavid Brooks
09/29/2021, 12:16 AMAndrew F
09/29/2021, 12:17 AMIvan Reese
dynamic governance, consent-based decision-making [...] would be happy to facilitate it if folks think that'd be better than a voteI would love to learn more about this. I think that it might solve a real problem here. Would you be willing to spin up a thread in #thinking-together explaining how this works?
CyberneticsYep, another good one. I think we'll be somewhat spoiled for choice with names that are meaningful and symbolic, and the bigger challenge will be figuring out how to make a distinct identity out of it. (Systems Thinking stumbles in that regard too.) Kartik's other suggestion, Convivial Tools, also seems well thought-out in terms of symbolism and relevance. It might bother the Salon folks a bit, though. Dang these practicality hurdles.
S.M Mukarram Nainar
09/29/2021, 1:07 AMJimmy Miller
S.M Mukarram Nainar
09/29/2021, 1:32 AMJimmy Miller
Kartik Agaram
Tomas Čerkasas
09/29/2021, 4:44 AMworkers-rs
(https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-rs) naming in CF discord - naming stuff is really really important for me. So I feel the hassle naming challenges create. By no means it’s a rabit hole not worth diving into.
Please give me few days to arrange my thoughts on this, will lay them down in a google doc and share it here once it’s done.Florian Schulz
09/29/2021, 4:52 AMDavid Brooks
09/29/2021, 4:57 AMshalabh
09/29/2021, 5:49 AMI often had an issue with the term “coding” because it is a lot more narrow than, e.g. programming. At least to me it feels a bit ironic because I hope that coding is not the future.I feel very much like this. I often think of FoC as Future of Computing. However, it's true that we're not just about imagining the future. One name popped into my head when I think about what I see in this community everyday, whether it is someone asking a question or showing their work or discussing some piece history: Adventures in Computing Everything from Smalltalk to Hest to Mu to ... it fits this idea. And it's not just individual adventures - human society is itself exploring computing (the computer revolution hasn't happened) so we're also trying to figure out the larger adventure we are all part of. The computer adjacent stuff like institutions and incentives kind gets covered by "adventures". I do think "computing" is the essential shared theme for us.
Florian Schulz
09/29/2021, 5:56 AMTomas Čerkasas
09/29/2021, 6:39 AMKonrad Hinsen
09/29/2021, 6:48 AMIvan Reese
Florian Schulz
09/29/2021, 7:51 AMMariano Guerra
Konrad Hinsen
09/29/2021, 8:25 AMMariano Guerra
Tomas Čerkasas
09/29/2021, 11:15 AMFoC
acronym also crossed my mind as one of the side effects of potential name change 🙂Srini K
09/29/2021, 12:03 PMKartik Agaram
Srini K
09/29/2021, 12:28 PMDavid Brooks
09/29/2021, 2:25 PMogadaki
09/29/2021, 3:26 PMIvan Reese
ogadaki
09/29/2021, 4:53 PMbut I have no idea what the best approach is with the non-English lensWell, maybe at least, with all non-native English speakers from this community trying to consider the name suggestions from their own "native language" lens? I guess we are several ones. Idea to count us: for non-native English speakers that are OK with that, maybe you can put an emoji for your native language (well, country, as there are no emoji for languages)?
Kartik Agaram
Chris G
09/29/2021, 5:19 PMshalabh
09/29/2021, 5:44 PMI'm in, regardless - @Chris GYeah, me too. I strongly agree with @Ivan Reese’s points about renaming. It's a brand thing. I'm not sure we can capture the values in a name but certainly a new name brings a fresh new brand. I'm going to just throw some more non serious names at this thread, based on the "poetic" prompt, to see what sticks or evokes some other ideas: Dream Machines (from Ted Nelson) Hello, Software! The Real Computer Quest Deprogramming Programming Switch the Angle I have my own interpretations of these, but I'll hold of on those.
Ivan Reese
Srini K
09/29/2021, 11:04 PMshalabh
09/30/2021, 12:07 AMJimmy Miller
Konrad Hinsen
09/30/2021, 6:13 AMIvan Reese
fivo
09/30/2021, 10:56 AMJimmy Miller
Ivan Reese
Chris G
09/30/2021, 5:03 PMDavid Brooks
10/01/2021, 1:02 AMMariano Guerra
ogadaki
10/01/2021, 10:26 AMFlorian Schulz
10/01/2021, 12:56 PMJack Rusher
10/01/2021, 3:56 PMogadaki
10/01/2021, 5:31 PMIvan Reese
Chris G
10/01/2021, 7:22 PMNick Smith
10/02/2021, 12:53 AMogadaki
10/02/2021, 7:00 AMshalabh
10/02/2021, 7:46 AMMaikel
10/02/2021, 8:06 AMJimmy Miller
Vijay Chakravarthy
10/02/2021, 7:16 PMIvan Reese
ogadaki
10/03/2021, 11:57 AMshalabh
10/04/2021, 6:21 PMJimmy Miller
curious_reader
10/07/2021, 4:38 PMDavid Brooks
10/07/2021, 4:46 PMArvind Thyagarajan
10/08/2021, 1:35 PMwtaysom
10/09/2021, 3:54 AMIvan Reese
Mariano Guerra
Andrew F
10/09/2021, 3:20 PMKartik Agaram
Andrew F
10/09/2021, 3:27 PMDoug Moen
10/10/2021, 12:46 AMogadaki
10/10/2021, 9:20 AMKonrad Hinsen
10/10/2021, 9:23 AMogadaki
10/10/2021, 9:23 AMDoug Moen
10/10/2021, 1:57 PMDavid Brooks
10/10/2021, 4:12 PMKartik Agaram
=SUM(A1:D8)
is actually doing all the interesting stuff (packet switching?) outside the pipes. And we can't just carve out a special case for spreadsheets. In general it's hard to visualize late-bound code as pipes. Imagine a higher-order function like map.
Even at the lowest levels, think about the fact that the current at the base of a transistor affects whether a current flows between emitter and collector. The key isn't the pipe effect. The key is the switch effect.
On a more abstract level, I think the pipe metaphor corresponds to operational semantics. The other metaphor available is math (denotational or axiomatic semantics). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics_(computer_science)
You're right that the metaphor makes computing seem more accessible. But I think it hides too much of the "essential strangeness" of computers. Metaphors dumb down computers.Ivan Reese
Kartik Agaram
Doug Moen
10/10/2021, 8:14 PMIvan Reese
Kartik Agaram
jonathoda
10/10/2021, 8:59 PMKartik Agaram
Doug Moen
10/10/2021, 11:26 PMshalabh
10/11/2021, 4:25 AMKonrad Hinsen
10/11/2021, 6:16 AMdaltonb
11/01/2021, 11:44 PMDavid Brooks
11/02/2021, 12:47 AMIvan Reese
Jimmy Miller
David Brooks
11/03/2021, 3:13 PMJimmy Miller
Stefan
11/24/2021, 5:29 PMOrion Reed
12/06/2021, 9:33 PMcurious_reader
12/07/2021, 7:56 AMNick Smith
12/15/2021, 3:39 AMSrini K
12/15/2021, 4:14 AMwtaysom
12/15/2021, 4:25 AMAndrew F
12/15/2021, 4:35 AMSrini K
12/15/2021, 1:10 PMChris G
12/15/2021, 5:58 PMKartik Agaram
Srini K
12/15/2021, 10:06 PMKartik Agaram
Srini K
12/15/2021, 10:41 PMArvind Thyagarajan
12/15/2021, 11:41 PMJimmy Miller
Ivan Reese
Kartik Agaram
Ivan Reese
Kartik Agaram
Konrad Hinsen
12/19/2021, 8:06 AMJimmy Miller
Nick Smith
02/16/2022, 1:25 AMKartik Agaram
You can of course instead send me a program that (better?) explains yourself, but I don't trust you enough to run it :)
💥
Nick Smith
02/16/2022, 4:46 AMKonrad Hinsen
02/16/2022, 8:46 AMIvan Reese
Kartik Agaram
Jimmy Miller
daltonb
02/17/2022, 1:52 AMChris G
05/12/2022, 8:56 PMMariano Guerra
Konrad Hinsen
05/13/2022, 2:56 PMSrini K
05/13/2022, 3:46 PMChris G
05/13/2022, 7:00 PMKartik Agaram
Chris G
05/13/2022, 7:26 PMAndrew F
05/13/2022, 7:27 PMChris G
05/13/2022, 7:32 PMKartik Agaram
Andrew F
05/13/2022, 7:43 PMKartik Agaram
Jimmy Miller
Kartik Agaram
Chris G
05/13/2022, 8:09 PMOrion Reed
05/13/2022, 8:28 PMJimmy Miller
Orion Reed
05/13/2022, 8:37 PMJimmy Miller
Orion Reed
05/13/2022, 8:45 PMJimmy Miller
Vijay Chakravarthy
05/13/2022, 8:57 PMDavid Brooks
05/13/2022, 8:58 PMshalabh
05/13/2022, 10:54 PMArvind Thyagarajan
05/14/2022, 3:14 AMphotography
as an inspiration or thinking point.
The etymology is merely "light" + "representing" / "drawing", whether people know that or not isn't very important in the evolution of its practice or embodiment in our creative culture.
I used to have to be a chemist, a machinist, a carpenter, and an adventurer to participate in "photography", it was quite intimidating and only a small handful of specialists were doing it on a daily basis. The casual citizen, if they were rich or famous, would commission the magical, mysterious creation and take home a giant plate, that only their family might ever see.
Cut to, "if I push this button my face can look like a unicorn with sparkles and all my million followers are about to see this jam in 30 seconds."
But it's still called "photography" and I'm still just "playing with light".Konrad Hinsen
05/14/2022, 7:39 AMNick Smith
05/14/2022, 7:40 AMKonrad Hinsen
05/14/2022, 7:42 AMcurious_reader
05/14/2022, 7:44 AMNick Smith
05/14/2022, 7:49 AMcurious_reader
05/14/2022, 7:50 AMKonrad Hinsen
05/14/2022, 7:52 AMChris Knott
05/14/2022, 7:55 AMNick Smith
05/14/2022, 8:00 AMArvind Thyagarajan
05/14/2022, 8:24 AMChris Knott
05/14/2022, 8:44 AM"One billion tinkerers"Yes, that's the other genre of catchphrase I like; "the other 99%", "programming for the rest" etc. It doesn't really reflect a lot of the actual projects here at the moment though, which are still pitching to existing programmers but just doing it better
Mariano Guerra
shalabh
05/14/2022, 4:28 PMKartik Agaram
shalabh
05/14/2022, 4:31 PMJimmy Miller
Kartik Agaram
Chris G
05/14/2022, 5:52 PMAndrew F
05/14/2022, 5:57 PMArvind Thyagarajan
05/15/2022, 8:46 AMIvan Reese
Jimmy Miller
Ivan Reese
daltonb
05/16/2022, 5:16 PMIvan Reese
Srini K
05/16/2022, 5:21 PMdaltonb
05/16/2022, 5:24 PMshalabh
05/16/2022, 5:27 PMSrini K
05/16/2022, 5:28 PMdaltonb
05/16/2022, 5:28 PMChris G
05/16/2022, 5:32 PMshalabh
05/16/2022, 5:33 PMSrini K
05/16/2022, 5:35 PMIvan Reese
Chris G
05/16/2022, 5:41 PMshalabh
05/16/2022, 5:43 PMMariano Guerra
Chris G
05/16/2022, 5:49 PMshalabh
05/16/2022, 5:53 PMKartik Agaram
Jimmy Miller
shalabh
05/16/2022, 6:03 PMIvan Reese
daltonb
05/16/2022, 6:04 PMChris G
05/16/2022, 6:18 PMdaltonb
05/16/2022, 6:21 PMshalabh
05/16/2022, 9:29 PMChris G
05/16/2022, 9:30 PMKartik Agaram
Chris G
05/16/2022, 9:38 PMKartik Agaram
shalabh
05/16/2022, 9:42 PMKartik Agaram
Srini K
05/16/2022, 10:03 PMChris G
05/16/2022, 10:13 PMNick Smith
05/16/2022, 11:16 PMArvind Thyagarajan
05/17/2022, 12:45 PM