I emailed Alan after these talks! we had some great email convos

Imagine a MOOC or something where these Ideas could be transferred. I think at some point such an attempt existed (I know of only this one) But basically its very hard to setup a education structure to support thinking in ways Alan proposes. Because society will only (easily) give structures of education to sustain the current type of society. So its really a curious case that Xerox happened. Alan is giving talk over and over how they did it at Xerox park but there is always a meta frame or perspective missing so I doubt that something like it will be recreated by efforts of allen., I think it could/will be rediscovered by accident but its rather unlikely

would be interesting to see why HARC didn't work and to follow Google X closer

I have lots of thoughts here! 1st, I recommend everyone here read this great book: https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Freedom-Civilization-Donald-Braben/dp/0578675919

I guess we are leaving the field of economics and industry here. Because for me it is simply about human motivation, curiosity, the desire to understand. Had the people who invented the wheel thought about commercialization? Or great medieval thinkers? Many people are so fond of capitalism that they are blinded by their own confirmation bias - only to look what confirms them - instead of looking how the capitalist mindset actually gives rise to many problems. Many people have written about the problematic relationship between science and empire/capitalism. I like Bertrand Russels Icarus or Dijkstras Diaries (Computer Science/Academia vs Computer Industry). To me it almost seems like without conscious cultural creation its very hard to get anywhere. But culture/society is so vast that change from bottom up becomes almost impossible. Its a hard problem But working with peoples motivation and new kind of organisational structures could provide new insights.

"Can people eat while they do it" is a factor that should be considered too, along with "I need X for my research, how do I pay for it"

Somehow it never occurred to me that his aphorism could apply both ways. It's possible to invent the wrong future if you are working within the wrong contexts - https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-history-behind-Alan-Kay-s-quote-Point-of-view-is-worth-80-IQ-points - "Similarly, the earlier “The best way to predict the future is to invent it” doesn’t say anything about what kind of future. People in power often invent terrible futures and make them happen (again, just take a look at unnecessary disasters over history, especially recently)."