I guess I am allowed here to do my - How far are w...
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I guess I am allowed here to do my - How far are we on the way to the bulerian Jihad - thread here.
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So you in the us probably saw this, would you agree that AI critiques are gaining traction?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlQ7EoJDTQYâ–ľ

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We are merely at the beginning of the few men with machines to enslave the rest of us.
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The Butlerian Jihad scapegoated machines but left in place the real reason for people's chains: the structures of power.
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the naive idea đź’ˇ of progress , that technology is neutral, it's very dangerous
A question could be : if we are departing modernity- and i think we are - and with it notions of progress
I recently listen to this interview with nora bateson which resonated with me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ekzHzRMjOkâ–ľ

We are living in crazy times , so lets slow down, treat each other with respect and find time to spend with children. Her Poem moved me deeply.
Mama now. for my children. What it's like to be your mama. Your eyes will see the derailing of assumptions. Your hands will hold the crumble of the old matrix. I do not have any authority to lean into. I have empty pockets where parents used to advise their children. I do not have any maps, myths, or mother wisdom for you. I can fix your breakfast, but not the culture. And when you ask how to be a good person, I cannot lie to you. Everything you touch in a day is in some way bloodied. You have been born into an edgeless violence. But I will not judge or measure you against a bygone metric. I'm here too, ready to learn with you, unsure how to be or who to be. I can only read fragments of your worry as the future is a horizon of confusion. I cannot protect you and yet it is my only job. Aching as I witnessed from this side of the hourglass other generations of parents knew the outlines. school, career, family and retirement. But your life will be another shape entirely forming in the fractures. And when you say you need a goal, I offer you an expired ticket. Superficial memes roll off the tongue right into your bullshit detector. Success in the existing system is not going to do you much good. Your integrity is your rage and I will nourish it. Your dignity is your curiosity and I am tiny beside it. Your courage is your pain and I will sing to it with you. We will riot together. We will notice the nuance of small graces in the day. We will wash the grit of loss for each other. I am your mama and your future is the story of a storm. I am your cabin, your boots, your ruck sack.
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Which critiques are gaining traction, though? Of AI, or of big tech, or of capitalism-without-feedback-loops? When of AI, which AIs are we talking about? Which aspects are we critiquing? Because I do see increased passion and virality of broad anti-AI media. At the same time I see broad acceptance of the blunt reality that many forms of AI, even generative LLMs, are powerfully useful despite their drawbacks. I think for a lot of people — or maybe just me! — it's hard to engage with most conversations because we're not even close to clear about what we're talking about.
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@Dave Liepmann makes a excellent point because many actual critiques get globbed together. It's only natural, especially in heightened emotional context, to be imprecise, and that is certainly the kind of context that leads us down a Bulerian road. So often I'll be agreeing with every step of a critique until the last one "and this is why we must destroy the machines" and I'm like "maybe we could start by being more sincere in all our relationships because that looks to be the real problem here."
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I'm thinking or feeling that it will be not an outright destruction of machines but a rejection of lifestyle , habits , tradition and culture that is needed to sustain the machine age. We are not as a society at this meta conscious level where we can directly steer these things. The “but it happened”video clearly already shows some social inertia which weighs heavily in a certain direction. To steer in different directions it takes a lot of effort.
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I agree that few or no persons can steer societal discussions with any degree of control, but I still think it's nice at the individual dialogue context to distinguish between anti-vibecoding, anti-generative-LLM, anti-big-corporate-tech, anti-Taylorism, anti-tech, anti-modernity, and anti-change-to-status-quo. Otherwise the big winners will be reactionary politics and Ted Kaczynski philosophies. (Are we actually talking about dismantling the machine age?)
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