Big one :point_up:, Dezentralisation is coming. ...
# thinking-together
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Big one ☝️, Dezentralisation is coming. And it's a good thing https://mitchellh.com/writing/ghostty-leaving-github
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this is github? Did you intent to reply to this or to peek in the other thread ?
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I have good news for Armin Ronacher: the larger-than-GitHub archive for software already exists: https://www.softwareheritage.org/ It's of course yet another single source of failure, as long as it remains the only such archive. But it does have serious backing, both from industry sources (money) and from politics (UNESCO).
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c
Quoting from the article : "You did not add dependencies casually, because the act of depending on something usually meant you had to understand where it came from."
"Mailing lists, which carried a lot of this in earlier years, have not kept up with the needs of today, and are largely a user experience disaster." I also remember those days there were real treasures in some mailing lists but finding indeed felt like digging for gems... physically exhausting and not guaranteed that you find some of value but when you did ...
Hmm realy really interesting he basically is pointing to larger issues of "sustainability" of this whole thing one might call programming (industrial?) culture. People need to care about things in a specific manner to sustain such a thing. In some sense its a cultural thing. The Hyper Individualism of consumerism plays also a role here. Not sure yet what it means but it comes with big implications, very good observations of the zeitgeist.
To be able to see such things you would probably need experience from before the epoch. Its this kind of intergenerational knowledge ( and the respect, humility and friendship) that we need if we want to sustain culture.
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I can confirm everything he writes about the historical evolution. I remember the days of manual software installation and mutual help via mailing lists as well. The days when a typical Python library had two or three dependencies.
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decentralized trust for contributors as well, not sure it will work out (its not the first time we tried this) but the memes are funny ATM https://blog.tangled.org/vouching/
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situationship type thing
got me, thanks
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@Jasmine Otto By chance have you read sand talk?
There is a chapter about how when you do things “wrong” in the tribe there will e consequences but there is also the option to become a “normal” member of the tribe again.
Social Media has utterly failed at tying to create patterns that work in similar ways (mostly because of scaling) . But for example when you are blocked 🚫 by someone on x , that's it , end of communication. You would need “out of band” communication to resolve misunderstandings or other issues.
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So yes “situationship type thing” is a thing, is a thing….