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Kartik Agaram
10/01/2022, 3:04 AMThe keyboard shortcuts seem awfully node-centric. How do I create an edge between two nodes?
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Scott Antipa
10/01/2022, 3:18 AMYou can use the "staging" feature
towards the bottom of the 'Shortcuts' menu. And its the ribbon icon in the toolbar.
Like:
Above -- select the node, cmd-option-s (or ctrl-alt-s) stages the node. Then selects the next node, then Tab to move the staged node after the selected node. Also works with Shift-Tab to move it before.
I'm still trying to think of better ways to do this. It works, but "staging" is kind of an invented concept that probably isn't intuitive.
And to disconnect nodes you select them and then Shift-Delete.
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Kartik Agaram
10/01/2022, 3:35 AMI see what you mean. This is quite similar to the notion of "grab" I invented over at https://futureofcoding.slack.com/archives/C03RR0W5DGC/p1661835473383259
It might not be too bad if you rarely create complex graph structures. For example I can imagine a conditional node is just <tab> <left> <tab>, which is quite nice.
Which brings up the question of what sorts of use cases you're targeting that got you to build this. Is this something you're using all the time?
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Scott Antipa
10/01/2022, 3:42 AMI use it for project management
Basically task dependencies
I've also seen people use it:
• hardware design
• doctors mapping out a prognosis plan
• business folks doing issue analysis
• personal knowledge management
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Breck Yunits
10/08/2022, 9:34 PMscott this is getting so good!
why the name knotend?
Things I love: 1) no login. 2) so fast. 3) The import/export. 4) The fast examples
i signed up for a pro account but dont really need or want online storage. have you tohught about doing like the watermark thing (pro accounts you remove the watermark?)
also you could maybe have a buy an annual or 2-3 yr license instead of monthly billing
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Scott Antipa
10/08/2022, 10:39 PMThanks for the signup and support @Breck Yunits !! Im still experimenting with different price models, the watermark is a good idea. There will also be features that are only pro.
When you say you dont need online storage — how would you prefer to do the storage? The free version stores it in the url, so you can save that url. Im also working on more extensive import/export options.
In terms of the name “knotend” — I wanted a short name with an available .com and I liked the interplay of knot and end. Like, knots are found in graphs, the end of a knot are where threads come together. Or you could read it like “an end to knots”, eg knots in your process that you get rid of. But, Id like to hear how the name resonated with you.
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alltom
10/09/2022, 12:01 AMKnotend looks fantastic. I use Flying Logic a lot but its editing operations are all clumsier.
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Scott Antipa
10/09/2022, 12:05 AMThanks! Im familiar with flying logic, it definitely looks cool. Can I ask what kind of graphs you make with it?
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Breck Yunits
10/09/2022, 12:54 AM@Scott Antipa URL storage is by far my favorite mechanism for storage
So simple and provides so much optionality.
I wouldn't base64 encode it though (not sure if thats what youre doing). Instead I would plain text encode it. I wrote this for OurWorldInData to help with that: https://github.com/breck7/patch
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Scott Antipa
10/09/2022, 1:37 AMVery cool. My goal is to have as short of urls as possible. Lots of environments cap the url length. I had this issue with notion iframe embeds cutting off the url at something like 3k characters.
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Breck Yunits
10/09/2022, 3:25 AMYes I'm with you. Have you reduced your DSL to minimum size possible @Scott Antipa?
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Scott Antipa
10/09/2022, 4:09 AMWell its not really a dsl, but Its workable for the size of graphs I'm trying to support, for now.
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Breck Yunits
10/09/2022, 8:47 PM@Scott Antipa I haven't looked at this yet, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON%E2%86%92URL might be relevant too
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Scott Antipa
10/09/2022, 9:10 PMSuper interesting, Ive never seen that. I like having a standard instead of inventing my own serialization format.
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alltom
12/07/2022, 7:15 PM@Scott Antipa I missed that you asked about this, sorry! My top two use cases are flowcharts (for describing processes to others) and dependency-based project planning (answering “and to do that I need…” to identify milestones, shortest paths, etc).
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Scott Antipa
12/07/2022, 7:17 PMThanks @alltom, if you ever want to chat to know more just post here. If you make any graphs I’d love to see them.
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alltom
12/07/2022, 7:25 PMIt’s unfortunately pretty difficult for me to get approval for web apps from my employer. :/
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Scott Antipa
12/07/2022, 8:13 PMBummer
Theres a free version and you dont even need an account. Thats the default. No need to ask employer for credit card or anything.
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alltom
12/07/2022, 8:38 PMIt’s more about exfiltration of corporate secrets. 🕵️🏻 A local binary is easier, since it’s not a moving target for security. Anyway, I won’t forget your project. :)