I recall coming across some opinions Against interactivity. I think in support of showing the thing, rather than making the user interact to see the thing. Is there a soundbite for this? Are there any good links? I don't know where I encountered this opinion I think a few times, but I found something in one passage searching Bret Victors Explorable Explanations. I wonder is this the most concrete link or reference I'll get, or does it ring a bell for someone else?

I tend to think of a different Bret Victor: Magic Ink.

Its glossary streamlines many UX discussions in my circles.

Yeah, I'm thinking you're thinking the Interactivity Considered Harmful* section of Magic Ink (which we did an episode about — maybe that's why you're thinking there's a "sound bite" of it) *DIJKSTRA

This is it. Thanks!

It sounds like the goal quote was found, but I want to share a related one from the Malofiej journalism conference in 2016 >> ““If you make a tooltip or rollover, assume no one will ever see it.” >> > 85% of page visitors simply ignore them, missing out on information hidden behind interaction.” From Archie Tse (NYT graphics editor) on why the Times was doing fewer interactives https://github.com/archietse/malofiej-2016/blob/master/tse-malofiej-2016-slides.pdf

Class reference Cameron. "Readers just want to scroll" another suitable soundbite!