curious_reader
12/17/2023, 9:32 PMKartik Agaram
curious_reader
12/18/2023, 6:56 AMKonrad Hinsen
12/18/2023, 8:20 AMIt's definitely not too late to heal Google. It would require some shake-up at the top of the company...I think it would require decoupling Google from capitalism. Not likely to happen any time soon (but in the long term... who known?)
curious_reader
12/18/2023, 8:23 AMDuncan Cragg
12/18/2023, 9:09 AMSure! It showed for me how one the one hand the ethical decline of google went from “don’t be evil- to… what ever it is today that’s their guiding principle. But also more importantly how a change in company culture also reflected on technical innovation.Are you an LLM? This sounds exactly like ChatGPT when it's trying to sound helpful ... but just repeats itself! 🤣 (I see you edited the OP, so presumably that's what happened here!)
Stefan
12/18/2023, 9:12 AMDuncan Cragg
12/18/2023, 9:14 AMDuncan Cragg
12/18/2023, 9:15 AMStefan
12/18/2023, 9:47 AMKartik Agaram
When you ask what message a city sends, you sometimes get surprising answers. As much as they respect brains in Silicon Valley, the message the Valley sends is: you should be more powerful.
http://paulgraham.com/cities.html I had no idea what he meant at the time, since I live in Silicon Valley and never felt this. But it seems increasingly telling with the passing of the years, not of a place but a subculture.
wtaysom
12/19/2023, 2:32 AMIt's not just Google. For every giant platform, the threats of competition, regulation and self-help have been in steady decline for years, as acquisitions, underenforcement of privacy/labor/consumer law, and an increase in IP protection for incumbents have all mounted ... When internal factions at tech companies argue about whether to make their services worse, there's a heavy weight tilting the scales towards enshittification. The lack of competition, an increase in switching costs for users and business-customers, and broad powers to prevent users from modifying the service for themselves all mean that even when a product gets worse, profits can still go up.
This is the culprit: monopoly, and its handmaiden, regulatory capture. That's why today's antimonopoly movement – and the cases against all the tech giants – are so important. The old, good internet was built by flawed tech companies whose internal ranks included the same amoral enshittifiers who are gobbling up the platforms' seed corn today. The thing that stood in their way before wasn't merely the moral character of colleagues who shrank away from these cynical maneuvers: it was the economic penalties that befell those who enshittified too rashly.
Incentives matter. Money talks and bullshit walks. Enshittification isn't due to the moral failings of individuals in tech companies. It's possible to have a good internet run by flawed people. But to get that new, good internet, we have to support technologists of good will and character by terrorizing their venal and cynical colleagues by hitting them where they live: in their paychecks.
Duncan Cragg
12/19/2023, 10:20 AMcurious_reader
12/19/2023, 1:05 PMcurious_reader
12/19/2023, 1:07 PMKonrad Hinsen
12/19/2023, 8:56 PM