Ivan Reese
Personal Dynamic Media
12/16/2023, 8:22 PMIvan Reese
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Ivan Reese
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12/16/2023, 8:59 PMIvan Reese
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12/16/2023, 9:00 PMPersonal Dynamic Media
12/16/2023, 9:02 PMSo perhaps the connotational semantics are tied up with the reasons that a construct is added to a language.
That might be where some of them start, but I think connotations, like idioms, grow within the shared understanding of a community.
Personal Dynamic Media
12/16/2023, 9:03 PMJimmy Miller
Eli Mellen
12/16/2023, 10:34 PMHe suggested that the construction of myths results in two levels of signification: the “language-object”, a first order linguistic system; and the “metalanguage”, the second-order system transmitting the myth.Where the language-object refers directly to some thing, and metalanguage is used to convey meaning in the mode of myth!
Eli Mellen
12/16/2023, 10:34 PMEli Mellen
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12/16/2023, 10:39 PMalltom
12/17/2023, 3:00 AMIvan Reese
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12/17/2023, 5:16 AMArvind Thyagarajan
12/17/2023, 6:12 AMTimothy Johnson
12/17/2023, 6:18 AMIvan Reese
Jack Rusher
12/17/2023, 10:33 AMEli Mellen
12/17/2023, 12:42 PMWould connotational semantics come from a similar source?I think this is a fascinating question, and also points to the phrase “semantics” being a wee bit overloaded in English, maybe? Like, there is a semiotics to a program — • the “physical” source symbolizes a program’s intent • but then also it’s compilation or reduction for execution is sort of the purpose behind it made “real” As for where connotations come from, they are the exciting bit of programming to me, I think — the connotation of an image, say, is varied and dependent on how it’s interpreted, and what you understand to inform that image — the more abstract the image, the more you can sorta say the connotation is “closer” to alignment with the image itself. With a program when do you start thinking about a it’s connotations? When it’s source in an editor? When it’s been compiled? When it’s been run?
Mark Dewing
12/17/2023, 4:51 PMPersonal Dynamic Media
12/17/2023, 5:02 PMIn (human) language, where do connotations come from? Do they emerge from popular usage?
My first guess would be that they emerge from the frequent usage of a word or phrase in combination with some other word, phrase, or idea. When this happens often enough, the word or phrase evokes images or feelings associated with the other word, phrase, or idea.
Stefan
12/18/2023, 10:11 AMshalabh
12/20/2023, 5:37 AMIvan Reese