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# linking-together
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Ivan Reese

12/15/2023, 5:35 AM
A lovely tribute to Yahoo Pipes written by the inimitable Glenn Fleishman appeared on the Retool site today. > Every Pipes’ mapping was public; every Pipe could be copied and modified. “That was design principle one for us, and I think that had a lot to do with making it accessible to non-developers,” Sadri said. This openness that encouraged—really, required—knowledge-sharing embodied some of the internet’s best qualities that were on the verge of being lost at that time.
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Guyren Howe

12/15/2023, 8:59 AM
This raises I think a frankly pretty important question for me: why do things like this fail? This isn’t the only effort along these lines. There have been many. Apple ships two — Automator and Shortcuts. About my strongest belief about this industry is that we have failed badly at enabling non-programmers to do computing. Excel and FileMaker describe the two main limits, and they’re both about 30 years old. But when I try to invent ways of moving forward, a lot of them look like Pipes. Why hasn’t something like this succeeded?
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Ivan Reese

12/15/2023, 2:02 PM
Has Shortcuts failed? If so, what was its expectation of success that it didn't achieve?
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Chris G

12/15/2023, 8:25 PM
HyperCard didn't fail, Pipes failed, Shortcuts hasn't yet failed – probably maps to their aspirations
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Guyren Howe

12/15/2023, 8:27 PM
Hypercard is no more. There are clones, but who uses them? By “fail” I mean “fail to become commonly used”, “fail to take over the world as it maybe should”.
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Chris G

12/15/2023, 8:32 PM
It's a boring question and bad framing, whoever's equipped the mindset of "enabling non-programmers" has failed harder than most failures Start from "a great tool" - Pipes wasn't one - future great tools will be used by many types of people in many unexpected ways
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Ivan Reese

12/15/2023, 8:36 PM
If "commonly used" is the desired success criteria, then WidgetSmith (100m downloads — and made by a solo developer, at that) is probably the most successful bit of malleable software this side of excel.
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abeyer

12/16/2023, 12:40 AM
Excel and FileMaker describe the two main limits, and they’re both about 30 years old
Is that a failure, or just a big early success?
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Guyren Howe

12/16/2023, 1:15 AM
Why not both?
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Eli Mellen

12/16/2023, 3:59 AM
I use a HyperCard clone like ‘er day 🫥 but I’m also here? 🤷‍♂️