# linking-together

Arvind Thyagarajan

10/08/2023, 2:52 PM
@Alex McLean for a small side road into music representation -- here's a wonderful insta account to follow; linking one recent example here: musicriyaaz account focusing on on a unique music representation for voice

Alex McLean

10/08/2023, 3:06 PM
I love it! It really helps me hear the vocal articulations. On the Indian music road I'm a big fan of Konnakol, which I think is really computational despite not being written down.. or maybe because it's not written down - to remember and recite a piece you have to generate it from rules. •

V Shivapriya & BR Somashekar Jois | Konnakol Duet

B C Manjunath vocalising a pattern on insta with his son
@Arvind Thyagarajan this notation reminds me of the incredible Din is Noise software

Arvind Thyagarajan

10/09/2023, 11:42 AM
This is super cool @Alex McLean. In music notation I always desireswitch between cyclic and linear; rhythm belongs on a clock or circle (cuban cláve), but a rhythmic phrase can well outlive a revolution or cut it short (konnakol, jazz); melodic progressions are mostly linear with 2-dimensionality (in the wonderful examples above but also typical sheet music, chord charts, guitar hero like games). I’ve yet to put pen to paper, but my wishful thinking always reminds me of this li'l animated concept:

youtube clip of a rotating circle drawing a sine wave


Alex McLean

10/09/2023, 12:23 PM
@Arvind Thyagarajan Yes agreed, this dual cyclic/linear nature of time is really core to music. Mainstream music software focuses only on linear piano rolls as the easy way out. It seems to me that Konnakol always resolves according to a longer term cycle, but travels around shorter term cycles generating rhythms in a way that really boggles my mind. The representation in my TidalCycles system models musical patterns as cyclic signals. Lately I've been trying to add an additional, alternative representation of patterns as linear sequences, so I can more easily play with Konnakol-inspired structures. I had a GSOC student Aravind Mohandas working on this sort of thing. Fascinating stuff!


10/12/2023, 8:19 AM
Reminded of this quote, "he has radically changed pitch twice in the space of four chords"

, with slide showing:
A4 = 440 Hz
A4 = 453 Hz
A4 = 432 Hz
in reference to Jacob Collier singing "Moon River" with extremely think just intoned harmony. Maybe "A4" is not the right representation for pitch in this case.
Also, here's Collier's own analysis At this linked spot he's has an example of how the piano doesn't work well for what he's singing.